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Customer Success Reduces Churn & Increases Expansion Revenue

On this episode of the ProfitWell Report, we looked at the data from just under 2 thousand companies within the subscription space to break down break down whether customer success reduces churn & increases expansion revenue. Here’s what we found.

This episode might reference ProfitWell and ProfitWell Recur, which following the acquisition by Paddle is now Paddle Studios. Some information may be out of date.

Originally published: October 3, 2018

Customer success has been one of those parts of the organization that we all know we need, but it's been tough to define exactly what customer success entails. Is it a part of the product organization combating churn and NPS through scalable initiatives or is it part of the revenue organization focusing on upsells, renewals, and expansion?

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Customer Success Impacts Net Retention

Customer success has an aggregate impact on net retention with those companies with some sort of customer success function seeing at least a 10% boost in net dollar retention compared to their non-customer success peers. Note though that dedicated customer success, meaning a full customer success organization that’s staffed in an account management fashion sees an additional 5% bump.

Digging deeper this analysis only shows a blunt interpretation of customer successes impact, because the data suggests that customer success actually doesn’t impact gross churn as much as it impacts expansion revenue.

Customer Success Only Loosely Contributes to Churn Reduction

Take a look here at our same groups broken down by aggregate gross churn. There’s definitely a drop in churn for those organizations with customer success showing a 15 to 27% drop in gross churn.

Customer Success Boosts Expansion Revenue

Yet, when we look at the same organizations from an expansion revenue perspective, we find that we’re seeing roughly a 50 to 125% increase in expansion revenue compared to those organizations without customer success.

So what does this mean then?

Well, customer success is absolutely valuable, but the implication is that their value is in an expansion revenue capacity, encouraging customers to find more and more value in our products and therefore spend more with us over time.

A deeper implication here is that gross churn can absolutely be influenced by customer success - I’ll take a 15 to 30% drop any day - yet, gross churn is likely more greatly influenced by your targeting of the right customer and product, the elusive persona/product fit.

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You've got the questions,

and we have the data.

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This is the ProfitWell Report.

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Hey, Patrick. Emery

from Frame. Io here.

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And my question for the week

is how does customer success

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impact retention and churn?

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Customer success has been

one of those parts of the

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organization that we all know

that we intrinsically need,

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but it's been

tough to define you

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you're focused on

upsells and expansion?

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The truth is probably

somewhere in between,

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but the more interesting

question is, is it working?

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So to answer Emery's

question here,

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we looked at just under five thousand

companies and the data therein.

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Here's what we found.

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As to not bury the lead,

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customer success has an aggregate

impact on net retention,

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with those companies with

some sort of customer success

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function seeing at least a ten

percent boost in net dollar

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retention compared to those

without customer success.

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Note though that dedicated

customer success teams,

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meaning those who have account

managers per customer in some

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ratio like banner, are seeing

an additional five percent bump.

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Digging deeper, this analysis only

shows a blunt interpretation of

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customer success's impact

because the data suggests that

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customer success actually

doesn't impact gross churn as

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much as it impacts

expansion revenue.

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There's definitely a drop in

churn for those organizations

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with customer success showing a

fifteen to twenty seven percent

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drop in gross churn.

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Yet when we look at the same

organizations from an expansion

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revenue perspective,

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we find that we're seeing

roughly a fifty to a hundred

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and twenty five percent

increase in expansion revenue

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compared to those organizations

without customer success.

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So what does this

all mean? Mean?

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Well, customer success

is absolutely valuable,

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but the implication here is

that the value is more in an

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expansion revenue capacity,

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encouraging customers to find

more and more value in your

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product and therefore spend

more with you over time.

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A deeper implication here is that gross

churn can absolutely be influenced

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Well, that's all for now.

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If you have any questions,

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shoot me an email or video over

to p c at profit well dot com.

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And let's also thank Emery from

Frame dot io for sparking the

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research by clicking the link below

to share and give them a shout out.

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