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Originally published: June 11th, 2018
It's the silent killer in our recurring revenue businesses. But while churn is something all of us in the subscription world must deal with, knowing what does and does not influence it can help us survive and build a faster growing business.
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Interestingly enough, churn is actually much higher than you typically see publicly disclosed. When looking at churn based on the size of the company, you’ll notice that churn only loosely correlates with a company’s monthly recurring revenue with wide interquartile ranges that fluctuate between 5% and 16% gross revenue churn on the low end of MRR and 2% to 8% on the high end of MRR.
You’d expect that as a company grows, they’d be figuring out their churn, which in kind would help them grow quicker. Yet, this isn’t the case.
Digging deeper down the the churn rabbit hole though we find that company age does present us with some good survivor bias when it comes to churn. Those companies who are older have dramatically lower churn than their younger counterparts. Companies who are less than three years old are seeing the interquartile range spread from 4% to a whopping 24% whereas companies who are 10 plus years old are seeing churn in the 2% to 4% range.
While the model fits quite nicely, these companies of course survive through properly figuring out churn, because by that time, funding, patience, or at the very least interest will dry up with poor unit economics.
That being said, you can’t control your age or your MRR with the flick of a switch. You do have significant influence over your ARPU through your pricing though - and it may be time to revisit that pricing to control churn.
Those companies with low ARPUs see much higher churn than those with larger ARPU. If your average revenue per user per month is below $100, you’re likely seeing monthly gross dollar churn rates between 3 and 16% with a median between 6 and 9%. That’s a lot of churn. Yet, ARPUs over $500 see significantly less revenue churn with a range of roughly 2 to 6% and a median closer to 3-4%.
Of course, this is intuitive, as those higher ARPUs tend to come with more hand holding, annual contracts, and a deeper relationship with your customer - that which is afforded through higher revenues per user.
Ultimately though, you need to pick your poison when it comes to the company you’re building and the implications those decisions have on churn. Less churn is always more success though, and you should be fighting to reduce your churn as much as humanly possible.
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You've got the questions,
and we have the data.
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This is the ProfitWell Report.
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Hey, Patrick.
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This is a buy from Feather
in Gainesville, Florida.
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I'm curious about what data
you have about average logo and
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dollar churn, across
dimensions like company
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age and price point of product.
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Phenomenal question, Abe.
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Because churn is the silent killer
in our recurring revenue businesses.
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So to answer your question,
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we studied just over three
thousand subscription companies
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of all shapes,
sizes, and verticals.
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Let's jump in and
see what we found.
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Interestingly enough,
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churn is actually much higher than
you typically see publicly disclosed.
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When looking at churn based
on the size of the company,
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you'll notice that churn only
loosely correlates with the
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company's monthly recurring
revenue with wide inter
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quartile ranges that fluctuate
between five and sixteen
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percent gross revenue churn on
the low end and two to eight
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percent on the high end of MRR.
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You'd expect that
as a company grows,
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they'd be figuring
out their churn,
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which in kind would
help them grow quicker.
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Yet, this just isn't the case.
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Digging deeper down the
churn rabbit hole though,
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we find that a company age does
actually present us with some
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good survivor bias
when it comes to churn.
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Those companies who are
older have dramatically lower churn
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than their younger counterparts.
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Companies who are less than
three years old are seeing the
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interquartile range spread from four
to a whopping twenty four percent,
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whereas companies who are ten
plus years old are looking at a
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range of two to four
percent for the median.
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While the model
fits quite nicely,
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those companies of course
survive through properly
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figuring out their churn,
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because that time funding
patients or at least interest
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will dry up with
poor unit economics.
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That being said, you can't control your
age or your MRR with the flick of a switch.
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You do have significant
influence over your ARPU
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though, and particularly
your pricing.
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And it may be time to revisit that
pricing to control your churn.
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Those companies with lower
ARPUs see much higher churn
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than those with larger ARPU.
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If your average revenue per user per
month is below a hundred dollars,
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you're likely seeing monthly
gross dollar churn rates
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between three and sixteen
percent with a median between
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six and nine percent.
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That's a lot of churn.
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Yet ARPUs over five hundred
dollars see significantly lower
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revenue churn rates with a
range of roughly two to six
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percent and a median closer
to three and four percent.
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Of course, this is intuitive as
those higher ARPUs tend to come with
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more hand holding annual
contracts and a deeper
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relationship with your customer,
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that which is afforded through
higher revenues per user.
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Ultimately though,
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you need to pick your poison
when it comes to the company
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that you're trying to build
and the implications those
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decisions have on churn.
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Less churn is always
more success though,
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and you should be fighting to
reduce your churn as much as
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humanly possible.
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Ship us a question
on that front,
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and we'll show you the data
to tell you actually how.
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Well, that's all for now.
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If you have a question,
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shoot me an email or video
to p c at profitable dot com.
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Let's also thank Abe
from Feather for sparking this
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research by clicking on the
link below to give him a nice
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little shout out.
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We'll see you next week.